Yeah, Dude – The BME vs. Steve-O Interview [The Publisher’s Ring]


Yeah, Dude.

The BME vs. Steve-O Interview


"Only when he no longer knows what he is doing does the painter do good things."

– Edgar Degas

While in the UK filming the upcoming BME movie/documentary/mockumentary (scheduled for spring 2004 release), The Lizardman, Martini (one of iWasCured’s frontmen, who’s probably done more flesh hook performances than any other Canadian), Mars (our West Chester secret weapon), and myself had the pleasure of bumping into Steve-O in Cambridge. Most of you know Steve-O from his lead role in MTV’s Jackass as well as his own “Don’t Try This At Home” series of videos, now backed by a live tour.

Armed with nothing but a human lizard and carrying high-grade British weed to pry open the doors, we persuaded Steve-O to allow us an interview before the show.


Marty and Erik (The Lizardman) ham it up for Steve-O’s amusement.


The FREAK was a little bit too much for some of them!


It’s really fun being around people who aren’t used to seeing genital piercings daily.

Steve-O turned out to be one of the most genuine, personable, and funny people I’ve had the opportunity to interview in a long time. I don’t know if I can effectively convey his message with a cold transcript, but I’ll try — Steve-O’s stories are told viscerally, like his act, and the words themselves are only a small part of his repetoire.

In any case, because he’s one of the few celebrities that’s gone to the effort to put up pictures and explanations for all of his tattoos on his website, we began by talking about those.



   
The Lizardman: Tell me about your tattoos, or, as you put it, your “dumb tattoos”. What’s the main motivation behind them?

   Steve-O: I would say a lot of people get tattoos for what the tattoo means to them, but I tend to get tattoos for what the tattoo’s going to mean to everybody else. All my tattoos are supposed to make people giggle.

   The Lizardman: You’ve reversed the perspective… instead of “it’s for me”, it’s “for the world”.

   Steve-O: Yeah… For example, I’ve got an “I have a small wiener” tattoo.

From viewing his DVDs, and later seeing it live, I did not observe Steve-O’s genitals to be freakishly small — the tattoo really is there not to advertise his shortcomings, but to brighten other’s days (“Feel bad about yourself? Are people laughing at you? Don’t worry about it — you can laugh at me if you’d like”). Over the next hour it would become very clear that Steve-O would martyr himself in an instant if it meant a legacy of humor.


   
The Lizardman: You seem to have spelled it wrong — Weiner is in fact a small town in Arkansas of about six hundred people. Was that on purpose?

   Steve-O: It was completely unintentional — I had it for three days before I realized it! I mean, three days after I got the tattoo I was just like, YES!

   The Lizardman: Unexpected bonus, right?

   Steve-O: Yeah, totally… And then I have my anagram “I love to bone”, and my Holy Satan fish. This one’s not that funny… it’s just the owner of a bar in Albuquerque. He sold it so I put a sword through his head. Then there’s my smiley face off-road tattoo.

For those that didn’t see it in Jackass: The Movie, Steve-O was tattooed in the back of Henry Rollin’s Hummer as they tore across an off-road track at high speed. Needless to say, it’s a far from “accurate” tattoo — more of a strange blurry stippled mess that vaguely resembles a cluster of stars in the shape of a face — unlike his exceptionally well done full-back self-portrait tattoo.


   
The Lizardman: Now, when you went into it with the off-road tattooing you obviously knew that the results were not going to be…

   Steve-O: Yeah, I expected we’d do the whole arm… The guy showed up ready to do my entire arm!

   The Lizardman: You’ve mentioned stuff before about going for records… the world’s largest self portrait tattoo?

   Steve-O: I say it all the time. “I have the Guinness Book of World Records largest self portrait, I just haven’t called them yet.” I haven’t talked to them, but I’m sure it’s the biggest.

   The Lizardman: That expression in the photo, did you specifically do a photoshoot or did you just pick a photograph you liked?

   Steve-O: We had a deliberate photo session to shoot it — just to make a dumb face. It was a toss up… a tough decision between a bunch of them.

At this point Steve-O began to become quite animated, hamming it up and making silly faces to illustrate the photoshoot. It was quite clear that he was happiest answering questions where the answer involved a performance or at least a good joke. It’s not that Steve-O is “always on”, but more that he doesn’t have a stage persona — he’s just Steve-O, onstage or off. The conversation moves back to his primary drive: making people laugh…


   
The Lizardman: I really like that just by walking down on the street I turn everybody’s day surreal. They may be driving to work and all of a sudden, “What the fuck was that?” It breaks them out of that mindset where they go to work, eat, sleep, die.

   Steve-O: Yeah, some people just hate in their day or they’re having a shitty ass day, and they watch half an hour of me doing dumb shit and after that first half hour they didn’t have their shitty day, and life’s not a problem any more… But as much as I like doing the live tour, it’s historical significance I’m after. You know?

   The Lizardman: Right.

   Steve-O: I want to make people giggle forever.

One of my favorite Steve-O quotes is a scene in one of his DVDs where he’s asked something along the lines of “do you think you’ll ever invite Jesus into your heart?” and he replies “yeah, I might do that one day, but for now I’m pretty much dedicating my life to Satan.” You can tell when he’s said something that amuses him — his face contorts and lights up as he giggles at his own joke, and that spreads to everyone around him.


   
The Lizardman: Why the Holy Satan Fish? What’s your take on organized religion?

   Steve-O: The first person that proved the world is round got stones thrown at him. Religion is just hype — people get religious and they’re not being good because they’re feeling good and acting good: it’s just out of fear or threat. They’re being good to literally to get a place in heaven…

   Shannon: But what if that is “the deal”?

   Steve-O: What if it is the deal? It’s pretty arrogant for us to feel we deserve our own judge and jury you know.

   The Lizardman: I still find a lot of resonance in myself with different Satanic philosophies but I’ve gone away from it because I feel that you’re still playing “their game”.

   Steve-O: Yeah, you know, I’m not into worshipping Satan, I’m just into disrespecting Jesus!

   The Lizardman: (laughs) I’m not a vegetarian because I love animals, it’s just that I really hate plants.

And, like clockwork, the entire room burst into mutual demonic laughter as Satan scores another victory with the youth of the day.

While Steve-O doesn’t have piercings, he does have a five inch outline of a heart branded on his chest. We asked him about it and found out that like his tattoos, the brand had been done for the benefit of others. Unfortunately the censors killed his message.


   
Steve-O: Yeah, I should have fucked the lady that gave me the branding… We got permission from MTV to film me getting branded, so I got branded. When the footage came to the censors they said, “Oh we didn’t say anything about any singeing smoking flesh!” and it wasn’t allowed on TV. So I don’t own the footage of getting branded and it’s not allowed on TV so it happened for absolutely nothing… but yeah, I got a heart branding over my heart. A metaphor to show that love hurts.

   The Lizardman: Since you said love hurts, give us your take on pain.

   Steve-O: I really don’t have a very high threshold for pain. But I do seem to have an overwhelming need for attention that outweighs that! You know?

   The Lizardman: I think that if you did have a high threshold for pain your reactions wouldn’t be something that people would want to see.

At this point the band that was opening for Steve-O came on and the noise in the bar we were using became overwhelming and we moved up to the green room where Steve-O told us about performing with the Genitorturers.

   Steve-O: I hammered a nail through my scrotum once with the Genitorturers.

   The Lizardman: Oh yeah! GEN…

   Steve-O: Yeah, the girl that hammers the nail through the scrotum. I don’t think she contributes to the band musically: she’s the actual designated “genital torturer” of the Genitorturers. She helped me hammer a nail through my scrotum into my leg.

   The Lizardman: Have you heard of Hell On Earth? It’s a band they worked with on their film. In their act they put three live rats into a blender, spin them around, drink it, and then pour the rest on the crowd.

   Steve-O: Wow. Is that legal?

   The Lizardman: That’s why they don’t go outside of Florida. The last time I was down there, for their Halloween show, the guy fucked a calf corpse on stage. He had painted his ex-girlfriend’s name on the side of it, and when he was done said, “That’s the last time I’ll fuck that cow!”

   Steve-O: Having sex with a calf corpse on stage…

   Steve-O’s Lawyer: And he nutted on stage?

   The Lizardman: Oh yeah. He took a sawhorse and mounted what was left of the calf on it.

   Steve-O: Did he get a boner? You know, full boner?

   Preston Lacy: Full boner?

   The Lizardman: Oh yeah, he jerked off — they all jerk off on stage all the time.

   Steve-O’s Lawyer: Full boner?

Steve-O’s lawyer, who he travels with (for obvious reasons) was impressed due to his attempts earlier that night — on a $100 bet — to masturbate to orgasm in under 60 seconds. He had enough trouble doing it with the entourage around, let alone buried in a calf corpse!


   
The Lizardman: Their keyboardist wraps his dreads in anal beads but he makes sure they’re used — he’ll take a new one out of a package throw it out into the crowd and he won’t put it in his hair until he pulls it out of somebody’s ass.

   Steve-O: Nice. Yeah, you know I’m always reaching into people’s asses.

   The Lizardman: I pull half my show out of my ass.

   Steve-O’s Lawyer: Have you got any wiener piercing stuff?

   Steve-O: Let’s see some cock and balls.

The Lizardman whips out his bits for a quick show’n’tell, tapping his large apadravya on the lense of the camera not far from Steve-O’s face.


   
Steve-O: Yeah nice! You know… I’ll fuck with my scrotum and shit but that shit I’m just not down for.

Marty whips it out as well, showing off his giant scrotal ring.


   
Preston Lacy: Hey! I know you!

   Steve-O: OK, stick it in my mouth dude.

   The Lizardman: Given that you did the nail, which is generally known as CBT (“Cock and Ball Torture”), is that something you get into in your personal life, sexually, or is it strictly a stage thing for you at that point?

   Steve-O: Well, I try to steer clear of activities that are other people are doing. People get their wieners pierced but I’m trying to make up my own stuff. I’m okay with piercing my nut sack with staples and stuff, but I’m simply not okay with piercing my shaft (laughs).

   The Lizardman: So it’s strictly a performance aspect for you?

   Steve-O: Yeah… It’s really not sexual in nature for me.

   The Lizardman: Because there are a lot of people to whom it is a huge sexual thing. There are some that are just performance and there are people that blur the line: “This is how I do it at home, and this is how I do it on the stage.”

   Steve-O: Oh… okay…

   The Lizardman: Yeah, that’s my thing, I’ve nailed my dick to a board for a show and that’s great, but at home I just want the piercing.

   Steve-O: Yeah, yeah, yeah… it’s understandable. (Very uncomfortable laughing).

I wish I could convey Steve-O’s expression at this point. It’s clear we’re moving into territory where he’s starting to think, “the Human Lizard is weird enough, but who pounds nails through their junk for fun?” Best to move away from that line of questioning!

My Doctor, My Jailor? [The Publisher’s Ring]


My Doctor, My Jailor?


"...clinicians' increasing liability for the violent actions of their patients has forced evaluators to err on the side of commitment..."


– Robert D. Miller, M.D., Ph.D.

on unjustified psychiatric commitment

A number of years ago a business partner of mine was having trouble sleeping. He informed his doctor of this, telling him that because of this insomnia he was always tired. His doctor asked him what he would do if he got too tired while driving, and my business partner told him that if he ever felt he was too tired to drive he would pull over and have a nap. They talked a little more about solutions, and he went home.


We live in the “preemptive age”. Think another nation might attack you in the future? Make up a flimsy case and attack them first, before facing the risk of their attack on you. Think someone might be a danger to themselves? Lock them up, before they can hurt themselves — do yourself a favor, if you don’t, and they do hurt themselves, you could be sued!


Three days later there was a registered letter from the Ontario government. When he opened it, he was informed that his driver’s license had been revoked and that he would need to undergo observation at a sleep clinic. When he called to make an appointment he found out that not only would he have to wait nine months, but that there was no appeals process. So, nine months later, at which point his insomnia had already passed, they hooked him up to the machines, had him take a nap, and “promptly” returned his license to him.

Maybe you’re saying that it’s better that the doctors “played it safe” and suspended his basic rights and privileges — after all, he might have posed a risk to other drivers if it turned out he had a severe sleeping disorder.

The fact is, we can play the “better safe than sorry” game endlessly. What are you willing to sacrifice for safety? It’s very easy when we’re talking about someone else’s freedoms being taken away. The safest society is the one that is the least free, and with free society comes both responsibility and danger.

Shannon,

I went into my local walk-in clinic recently, looking for aid in alleviating my PMS and some mild depression. I spoke with the nurse first, who was attentive, and my appointment was ordinary. As it is a walk-in clinic, the staff rotates and I had never been treated by this particular doctor before. We went over my symptoms; physical pain and insomnia. He asked me a long series of questions about depression, diet, and family history, but nothing out of the ordinary.

When it was time to take my blood pressure, I had to remove my sweater for a proper reading. My arms are tattooed, but not much. Immediately his attitude towards me changed and I noticed him looking me over. He became hostile, and asked me if I engaged in any other “self-destructive behaviour other than my tattoos”. I told him no, and that I did not feel my tattoos were mutilation or destructive, but that I found them to be positive and a source of joy.

He then asked if my shaved head was done out of anger, or other self destructive motivations. At this point, I was getting annoyed, but not concerned.

The GP then looked into my chart and asked about my amputation (I lost one of my finger joints last year). I restated what is in my medical chart, which is that it was an accident. He told me he had recently seen a TV program about voluntary amputation. I quickly but calmly informed him that there were other people who were there at the time, who could verify that it was an accident. I informed him that I am in the process of having a very expensive prosthesis made, and asked him if he thought it was logical that a voluntary amputee would pay thousands of dollars to conceal their amputation?

At this point his questions had become totally unrelated to the intent of my visit. I didn’t think I would have any problems though, as I had given him sound and logical answers to all of his questions, and none of this had been an issue with other doctors I’d seen earlier.

He then left the room for about 15 minutes, and when he returned, he told me he thought I was a threat to myself. He said that he had issued something that worked like a warrant, and that if I did not go for psychiatric evaluation within a certain number of hours, that the police would come and escort me to one, with or without my consent.

I felt totally powerless and terrified. I did not attempt to argue with him about his position. Clearly he had very conservative and negative views about body modification, and I really did not want to make matters any worse for myself. I was confident that once I was seen to by a psychiatric professional that I would be properly assessed and released.

I went in for evaluation immediately and of my own “free” will. I waited four hours to be seen, the whole time under armed surveillance. It was extremely stressful. I left my hat on to conceal my stretched lobes and my sweater on to conceal my tattoos.

Eventually I was seen by a series of psychiatrists and doctors who, as I predicted, found that my body modification interests and my short hair posed no threat to my safety or health, and released me of my own accord.

My initial appointment was well before noon, and I didn’t make it home from this ordeal until well into the night, and the original reason I’d went to the doctor in the first place was never addressed.

Sincerely,

A. T.

Many readers of this site have faced medical and legal harassment because of their body modification decisions. Some have been jailed, others incarcerated in psychiatric institutes, and others have been sued by ex-wives claiming their body modification was a form of abuse. In a small percentage of those cases, the aggressors have turned out to be correct, but in the vast majority it was baseless accusation built on inaccurate stereotypes. A witch hunt.

Treating people with body modifications as a danger to themselves or others for that reason alone is no better than calling for the incarceration of all members of a specific race because statistically they may be slightly more prone to be found guilty of criminal behaviour.

The letter on the right recounts some recent experiences had by a friend of mine, pictured below.


There’s got to be a million young people who’d love to “have her look”. There’s nothing wrong with it, and it’s a healthy expression of who she is.

To make a long story short, she went to the doctor because of some minor depression and insomnia — how many of us haven’t suffered from this from time to time? It’s so common it’s practically considered normal. The doctor treated her well, until he asked her to roll up her sleeve for a blood pressure check, revealing her tattoos.

Upon seeing her professionally done and long-since healed tattoos, coupled with a missing finger joint (which was lost in an accident long before, which was in her chart, along with the fact that she was seeking a prosthesis for it — most young people enamoured with amputation do not seek prosthetic correction), he classed her a “significant risk to herself” and imprisoned her involuntarily for an indefinite period of time.

Luckily her ordeal was over six hours later as other doctors did not share the bigoted views of the first.

The fact is, once you fall into the “psychiatric care” system, it can be very difficult to get out, and all it takes to get there in the first place is the subjective opinion of a doctor that’s known you for all of fifteen minutes.

Not only that, but this doctor’s views were based on not just his own personal hatred of tattooed people and women with short hair, but by a television show — I can only assume that he was referring to TLC’s Skin Skulptors, which told the story of several older voluntary amputees. In each of their cases, the end result was the same: “I was depressed my whole life, but now I’m happy. I can’t tell you why I am this way, but I can tell you this is the best decision I ever made.”

Since when is choosing an unusual path to happiness, one that doesn’t hurt anyone else, a crime punishable by psychiatric imprisonment?

To tell a similar story from my own life, long before starting BME I’d had an encounter with doctors who’d never come in contact with stretched piercings. For that and other reasons they told my parents that they wanted to hold me for three days to make sure I wasn’t a danger to myself (I absolutely fail to see how well healed and cared for piercings are indicative of anything but someone who takes care of their body). At the end of it they decided that they were expressions of schizophrenia, and prescribed me massive doses of a dopamine-level altering anti-psychotic drug.

WRONG.

I’m not schizophrenic — a fact that would be later confirmed by more experienced doctors. It wasn’t the first time I’d been misdiagnosed. When I first revealed my body modifications to my parents, they took me to a psychiatrist who told them I had “delusions of grandeur” because I’d told the doctor that I was a computer programmer — and even though he could have easily confirmed that fact with my employer, he instead wrote it off with his own pre-conceived notion: “you’re far too young to understand how to program, let alone do it successfully”.

Then, in the drugged haze that I was in, I was thrown into a larger institution. The first doctor to see me stripped me down to “examine me”, and at the time I had a nipple piercing. The doctor told me that my nipple piercing was indicative of “gender disorders and transsexualism” and ordered a series of humiliating genetic tests and examinations to find out if I was actually male or not.

When their tests came back showing me to be totally normal, they instead put me on more anti-psychotics (even though they’d already discarded the “schizophrenic” claim), and as I was beginning to become agitated at being held prisoner, they added a pile of tranquillisers to my daily dose. I had no choice but to take these drugs — across the floor of the Clarke Institute that I was in was the “long term” ward, where they still used shock therapy. I was told that if I didn’t take the drugs that they’d force me to undergo shock treatment instead.

Now, I’d signed up for this “voluntarily”, so I thought, “Why don’t I just check myself out. I don’t need this.”

Unfortunately, when I went to do so, they confirmed that I was in on a voluntary form, but that if I sought to leave, they would immediately be switched over to an involuntary form. It took me a full month of jumping through their hoops before I was able to leave, and by the time I did, my head was so messed up from the drugs they were over-prescribing me that it wasn’t long before I took too many of them (the drugs they’d given me) and returned, post-overdose.

My luck turned though as I was transferred to a new doctor who realized there was nothing wrong with me at all. At this point my only problem was that I was on a pile of drugs I never should have been on. I spent thirty days in a locked ward under armed guard as they weaned me off the drugs.

As those drugs began to wear off, I desperately needed to express “me”. I coloured my hair green in the psyche ward bathroom with some dye that a friend smuggled in for me, and I began to re-stretch my piercings. Eventually I was free again, happy to be me, but having learned an ominous lesson about what happens to people who don’t conform.

I don’t know what advice I can give you on this subject. Normally I might say “escalate it”, but there’s no guarantee that won’t make the problem dramatically worse. I don’t want to say “isolate yourself” and try not to have contact with doctors either since we know that won’t make anything better. I’ll certainly warn you to avoid falling into their traps. It’s not easy to free yourself once you’re caught.

It’s a long battle still. We’ve made incredible strides in assuring the mainstream acceptability of body modification, but we’ve made them very quickly, and there are still an enormous amount of people who doubt the validity of our actions. All I can suggest is try and conduct yourself politely and think of yourself as an ambassador.

After all, if this really is bigotry drawn on stereotypes — “modified people are bad/crazy/dangerous” — then it’s in all our best interest to change those stereotypes through our actions, so maybe one day the stereotype will flip to “modified people are so nice!”

Maybe we’ll eventually grow out of judging books by their covers.

For now, let’s just try not to burn books based on their covers.

Thank you,

Shannon Larratt

BMEzine.com


High-tech implants: The future of body modification? [The Publisher’s Ring]


High-tech implants:
The future of body modification?


"If God made anything better, he kept it for himself."

– William Gibson, Neuromancer

Cyberpunk sci-fi fetishists and scientists of questionable skill have long held that “the future of body modification” is implantable technology. Some of you may have recently seen Professor Kevin Warwick appearing alongside myself on TLC’s Skin Sculptors documentary. On that show, Professor Warwick, often falsely held up as the “first human to host a microchip” (after having a PetNet-type passive chip implanted), showcased a series of barely functioning technological parlour tricks such as clapping his hands to try and make lights turn on and off. While many scientists hold that Warwick’s experiments are meritless, amateur, and misleading, Warwick predicts that they will have enormous medical and social applications and will revolutionise the way we interface with technology.

Ultimately we are discussing the addition of gadgets such as implantable watches, identification systems, and input/output devices. I will ignore the more common “correction” of handicaps using similar technologies (cochlear implants, prosthetic devices, and so on), since I don’t believe they could reasonably be classed as voluntary body modification and seek to bring normal rather than augmented functioning.

I think most of us have entertained notions of implanting a timepiece or PDA device under our skin — just think how convenient it would be, not to mention cool! Or what if we had an ID chip so our computer would only respond to our touch, or our house would automatically turn the lights on for us as we entered. Those are just the tip of the iceberg — we can come up with “neat” gadgets indefinitely … but that’s the core problem — do we want something that’s going to be “neat” for fifteen minutes, or do we want something that will permanently enrich our lives?

We are tool using creatures; we are not walking tools. As we grow as a species, we enhance our tool set, but our core being remains relatively unchanged. As we create new tools, we discard our old ones as they no longer meet our expanding needs. We do not have that luxury with our bodies, which we discard only once, as we leave this world.

How many of you reading this are still using the computer they were using twenty years ago? The fact is, bleeding edge technology (which is what implantable technology would be) becomes obsolete very quickly and ceases to be desirable — short of removing and replacing it every three years, a human being who has chosen to augment themselves with implantable technology will quickly become an obsolete human — yesterday’s model — a fate no self-respecting futurist ever wants to face.

Let’s assume briefly that we have reached a point where technology is relatively static in terms of the device that we seek to implant. Now we have to ask the larger question: why bother? After all, these gadgets could just as easily be wearable, with projects such as Isa Gordon and Jesse Jarrell’s Psymbiote being excellent examples. What is the advantage to the device being implanted? Once implanted, we can’t upgrade it, we can’t swap it out, and we’ve done physical damage to the area, weakening our core physical form. In addition, implantation requires a power source that is containably non-toxic and can be recharged without direct contact. It would be utterly unreasonable and ill-informed to presume that an implantable power source can compete with one that is external (as has been consistently illustrated in the world of artificial organs).

As far as simpler passive identification devices, again we must ask ourselves what the advantage is. After all, it is just as easy to place the RFID chips into clothing or jewelry … But that ignores the larger issue that identification devices serve not to augment us, but to augment the technology surrounding us (that is, having an implanted ID chip makes it easier for computers to detect us, but offers no enhanced sense to us in return). In addition, as computer technology becomes more powerful, their ability to recognise us will grow. Building fingerprint identification systems into keyboards is already being done, and speech and visual identification systems become more accurate every day. The only advantage to implantable identification technology is that it is difficult to remove. So I propose that any future person with an implanted ID is either walking around with yesterday’s tech, or is a criminal that has had this unpleasant fate forced upon them.

These things are very fun to think about, and make glorious storytelling elements a la Neuromancer, but the fact is that the future of human/technology interconnection is wearable. Yes, one day in the distant future we may (and probably will) reach a point where we have a “port” — perhaps a plug on our spine that acts as a communications hub between the technological word and our wetware innards. However, that’s a long way away, and ultimately we’re just talking about a communications medium rather than a body modification. Taking it to greater extremes, these transhumanist ideals eventually lead us to the end of the human being as we replace ourselves with machines that may or may not carry on with human souls … and that’s an entirely different debate.

We will definitely have some tough questions to face regarding technology over the next fifty years as the “intelligence” of machines first meets, and then surpasses our own. It is my belief that in order to survive that difficult time in our evolution, we need to really cherish being human.

Part of what makes body modification attractive to people is first that it recognises and glorifies the human biology, and then allows us to seize control over our physical form and mold it to our desires where we can revel in a personal utopia of our own creation. A fancy piece of technology, above or below the skin, does not glorify the body. A subincision does. A stretched piercing does. A fit body from years of exercise does. Let’s face it: as megalomanically superior as it may make you feel, driving a Ferrari does not make you feel like you can run fast.

Now, genetic engineering on the other hand…

Carpe corpus!

Shannon Larratt
BMEzine.com