So I just saw on Allen‘s page that the APP so wowed the Florida Department of Health with their presentation that the conclusion of the meeting included the following ruling:
Sooooo…. If suspension is medicine in Florida (rather than art or religion, which are protected), does that mean it’s covered by your medical insurance if your therapist says a suspension might do you some good? And does that mean that when you go to medical school you get training in doing suspensions? Not fucking likely. Just another example of calling something medicine when it’s not in order to come up with an excuse for suppressing a subculture that doesn’t seem quite so bigotted to the plainskins.
I think if I was going to legally mandate anything regarding suspension, it would be the presence of someone who’s experienced as a rock climber and is a solid rigger and an experienced body piercer, not someone know-it-all-know-nothing-relevant who went to medical school and understands effectively nothing about the issues (let alone motivations) involved with suspension.
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That’s GREAT!!!! First of all it’s great that people are willing to listen. Second of all..my therapist promotes the suspension activies I do. I can only hope Blue Cross decides to include this in their booklets next year.
That’s GREAT!!!! First of all it’s great that people are willing to listen. Second of all..my therapist promotes the suspension activies I do. I can only hope Blue Cross decides to include this in their booklets next year.
You’d think that they’d have actual issues to deal with instead of making excuses to infringe on the rights of others. Gotta love America.
You’d think that they’d have actual issues to deal with instead of making excuses to infringe on the rights of others. Gotta love America.
You know, I’m getting very tired of the assumption that all medical professionals are piercing hostile and uninformed. Yes, the medical literature is shitty in this regard and there’s much bias out there but there are also physicians who do real honest piercing work. Triangles, navels, nipples and more are part and parcel of many a modern medical office. Who does them? Ask around. Plastic surgeons, dermatologists and even some family docs. For example: me. I do piercings in my practice.
Now as for this Florida regulation, it’s just moronic. But that’s different than ragging on all doctors about piercings.
You know, I’m getting very tired of the assumption that all medical professionals are piercing hostile and uninformed. Yes, the medical literature is shitty in this regard and there’s much bias out there but there are also physicians who do real honest piercing work. Triangles, navels, nipples and more are part and parcel of many a modern medical office. Who does them? Ask around. Plastic surgeons, dermatologists and even some family docs. For example: me. I do piercings in my practice.
Now as for this Florida regulation, it’s just moronic. But that’s different than ragging on all doctors about piercings.
They can criminalize it all they want……we’re still going to be doing it….just not offering it to the general public
They can criminalize it all they want……we’re still going to be doing it….just not offering it to the general public
doc, the doctors you describe and include yourself among are NOT the norm though, and there is NO WAY that you are able in a doctor’s studio to get as much experience working with pierced people as in a high traffic studio.
doc, the doctors you describe and include yourself among are NOT the norm though, and there is NO WAY that you are able in a doctor’s studio to get as much experience working with pierced people as in a high traffic studio.
My immediate thought when I read about this on Shannon’s page was simply “Thank God I’m Canadian”.
My immediate thought when I read about this on Shannon’s page was simply “Thank God I’m Canadian”.
…except that I just realized I read on the IAM modblog account and not Shannon’s page. There’s no excuse for that kind of stupidity.
…except that I just realized I read on the IAM modblog account and not Shannon’s page. There’s no excuse for that kind of stupidity.
I couldn’t agree more, Whitney. Did you know Matt (as in our piercer) was actually initially trained by an RN? 🙂
My work insurance covers stuff like massage therapy, orthotics, accupuncture, hell, ,i can even get my personal trainer covered by it (excercise and diabetes relation etc) if suggested by a dr… I wonder if this ever came to canada if i could get suspension (SusCon and whatnot) included by benefits 😀
I couldn’t agree more, Whitney. Did you know Matt (as in our piercer) was actually initially trained by an RN? 🙂
My work insurance covers stuff like massage therapy, orthotics, accupuncture, hell, ,i can even get my personal trainer covered by it (excercise and diabetes relation etc) if suggested by a dr… I wonder if this ever came to canada if i could get suspension (SusCon and whatnot) included by benefits 😀
That is pretty stupid to say the least. How is suspension considered medical? Closemindedness at its worst.
That is pretty stupid to say the least. How is suspension considered medical? Closemindedness at its worst.
I suppose other than just popping off, my point was that this isn’t about the medical profession at all. It’s about beaurocracy and the stupidity that flows from it.
I suppose other than just popping off, my point was that this isn’t about the medical profession at all. It’s about beaurocracy and the stupidity that flows from it.
doc, yes, I agree. I’m sure this must irritate you as much as it does me.
doc, yes, I agree. I’m sure this must irritate you as much as it does me.
Just one more reason why Florida is one of the worst states out there.
Just one more reason why Florida is one of the worst states out there.
*sigh*
🙁
Yeah, thank god I’m Canadian.
But fuck god I’m living in Florida…
Being a minor I can’t:
x control where I live (to much extent)
x suspend (at least without parent permission, which I won’t recieve).
*sigh*
🙁
Yeah, thank god I’m Canadian.
But fuck god I’m living in Florida…
Being a minor I can’t:
x control where I live (to much extent)
x suspend (at least without parent permission, which I won’t recieve).
Hey, don’t forget that the Indian Act in Canada made the Sundance illegal, along with many other rituals. We have plenty of blood on our hands up here in the North as well.
Hey, don’t forget that the Indian Act in Canada made the Sundance illegal, along with many other rituals. We have plenty of blood on our hands up here in the North as well.
See also: COLONIALISM CONTINUES: INSIDE THE GUSTAFSEN LAKE STANDOFF
See also: COLONIALISM CONTINUES: INSIDE THE GUSTAFSEN LAKE STANDOFF
great, another reason why florida continues to suck….and always will.
great, another reason why florida continues to suck….and always will.
Isn’t that encouraging to some extent? First off, as Some Doc says, there are bound to be informed, interested medicos out there. Even if they do make you have a doctor present, all it’ll mean is somewhere between extra medical help in case of, and a useless spare. And those who actively disaprove wouldn’t do it. No sign of actually legislating against suspension. In fact, to me, it almost looks like official recognition of some sort.
Isn’t that encouraging to some extent? First off, as Some Doc says, there are bound to be informed, interested medicos out there. Even if they do make you have a doctor present, all it’ll mean is somewhere between extra medical help in case of, and a useless spare. And those who actively disaprove wouldn’t do it. No sign of actually legislating against suspension. In fact, to me, it almost looks like official recognition of some sort.
It is official recognition to an extent. The problem is it puts the control in the hands of thse that (for the most part) know nothing about it.
Fair enough a doc might be able to et all the theory down and blah blah blah. but when it comes down to it who would you rather throw your hooks and oversee your experience?
A doc who’s been ‘appointed’ by the state, or someone with years of practical experience with both piercings AND suspensions?
Sometimes I feel priveliged living in a country where practices such as these are still relatively unknown to the masses and we are left in peace as it were…
It is official recognition to an extent. The problem is it puts the control in the hands of thse that (for the most part) know nothing about it.
Fair enough a doc might be able to et all the theory down and blah blah blah. but when it comes down to it who would you rather throw your hooks and oversee your experience?
A doc who’s been ‘appointed’ by the state, or someone with years of practical experience with both piercings AND suspensions?
Sometimes I feel priveliged living in a country where practices such as these are still relatively unknown to the masses and we are left in peace as it were…
well said Shannon… *high 5* yesssssss
well said Shannon… *high 5* yesssssss
If suspension is outlawed, only outlaws will do suspensions.
If suspension is outlawed, only outlaws will do suspensions.
That’s a step away from claiming that all piercings are medicine.
That’s a step away from claiming that all piercings are medicine.
Nah, they’d never make that one stick.
Nah, they’d never make that one stick.
suspension is a medical proceedure…how did they come up with that?
i know that knowing the general anatomy of people would be helpful,but i’d think you’d need more experience with piercing and rigging than anything else;cleanliness would help but hell,i know more tattoo artists and piercers who are cleaner than my doctor.
suspension is a medical proceedure…how did they come up with that?
i know that knowing the general anatomy of people would be helpful,but i’d think you’d need more experience with piercing and rigging than anything else;cleanliness would help but hell,i know more tattoo artists and piercers who are cleaner than my doctor.
That just goes to show you the ignorance of the American people. We see something different and try and find a way to get rid of it. Suspension is nowhere near a medical procedure, well, at least in the fact that none of us would see it as medical. It’s a fucking artform, religious tool, body art, or just something you want to experince once, but not a medical act. C’mon people, we can’t let this shit happen here anymore.
That just goes to show you the ignorance of the American people. We see something different and try and find a way to get rid of it. Suspension is nowhere near a medical procedure, well, at least in the fact that none of us would see it as medical. It’s a fucking artform, religious tool, body art, or just something you want to experince once, but not a medical act. C’mon people, we can’t let this shit happen here anymore.
I have to say… i’m kind of tempted to travel to florida just to suspend in public… 😀
I have to say… i’m kind of tempted to travel to florida just to suspend in public… 😀
Maybe they saw the APP’s concentration on sterility and having someone experienced in suturing and freaked out. Getting a shot or getting stitches put in are both medical procedures too, after all.
I think a good strategy is to propose that someone with EMT or RN training be on hand at any suspension.
Maybe they saw the APP’s concentration on sterility and having someone experienced in suturing and freaked out. Getting a shot or getting stitches put in are both medical procedures too, after all.
I think a good strategy is to propose that someone with EMT or RN training be on hand at any suspension.
Just as a note; I went to the dentist today. Not only did I not need to take my oral piercings out for anything, but I was complimented on being smart enough to have appropriately sized jewelry to avoid tooth and gum damage. I also got a referral to an oral surgeon so I could see about getting a frenectomy. (…Not that my dentist needs to know that this is a prelude to another go at a tongue split.) My wife had to have a psychiatric evaluation (in regards to possible neurosurgery), and the only questions she got about piercings/tattoos was how long it had been since she got her first non-ear piercing. When I I got a vasectomy, the only comment that I got about the transscrotal was that I should wear lighter jewelry until I was healed to avoid a subdural hematoma.
While I don’t like body modification proceedures and rituals being legislated, I also don’t think that all doctors are as ignorant about the issues as they once were. Some level of legislation seems good, just to keep hacks from fucking up unwitting/ignorant customers, but where do you draw the line? I’m going to hold off on judgement until I see if legislation passes, and then how it is applied. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Just as a note; I went to the dentist today. Not only did I not need to take my oral piercings out for anything, but I was complimented on being smart enough to have appropriately sized jewelry to avoid tooth and gum damage. I also got a referral to an oral surgeon so I could see about getting a frenectomy. (…Not that my dentist needs to know that this is a prelude to another go at a tongue split.) My wife had to have a psychiatric evaluation (in regards to possible neurosurgery), and the only questions she got about piercings/tattoos was how long it had been since she got her first non-ear piercing. When I I got a vasectomy, the only comment that I got about the transscrotal was that I should wear lighter jewelry until I was healed to avoid a subdural hematoma.
While I don’t like body modification proceedures and rituals being legislated, I also don’t think that all doctors are as ignorant about the issues as they once were. Some level of legislation seems good, just to keep hacks from fucking up unwitting/ignorant customers, but where do you draw the line? I’m going to hold off on judgement until I see if legislation passes, and then how it is applied. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.