156 thoughts on “Facial Tattoos and Scarification.”

  5. Hey, if these are new pictures, how come he has less tattoos in them? Did he have the forehead tattoo removed? Did it just fade away?

  6. Hey, if these are new pictures, how come he has less tattoos in them? Did he have the forehead tattoo removed? Did it just fade away?

  7. Hey, if these are new pictures, how come he has less tattoos in them? Did he have the forehead tattoo removed? Did it just fade away?

  8. Hey, if these are new pictures, how come he has less tattoos in them? Did he have the forehead tattoo removed? Did it just fade away?

  21. Absolutely stunning.
    Facial tattoos and scars–especially when in conjunction–never fail to resoundingly strike me.

  22. Absolutely stunning.
    Facial tattoos and scars–especially when in conjunction–never fail to resoundingly strike me.

  23. Absolutely stunning.
    Facial tattoos and scars–especially when in conjunction–never fail to resoundingly strike me.

  24. Absolutely stunning.
    Facial tattoos and scars–especially when in conjunction–never fail to resoundingly strike me.

  29. C’mon Roo, if you were anyone else I’d excuse your use of the term ‘ta moko’ and blame it on the fact you’re a pom and it was your people that beat down the Maori here in Aotearoa. But really now, that Andy guy at first glance doesn’t look Maori, and his facial tattooing doesn’t look like ta moko in the least. It’s fine and dandy, but from an educated background (in my culture and Maoritanga) the facial tattooing he has is messy as hell. And you should know that Roosy!

  30. C’mon Roo, if you were anyone else I’d excuse your use of the term ‘ta moko’ and blame it on the fact you’re a pom and it was your people that beat down the Maori here in Aotearoa. But really now, that Andy guy at first glance doesn’t look Maori, and his facial tattooing doesn’t look like ta moko in the least. It’s fine and dandy, but from an educated background (in my culture and Maoritanga) the facial tattooing he has is messy as hell. And you should know that Roosy!

  31. C’mon Roo, if you were anyone else I’d excuse your use of the term ‘ta moko’ and blame it on the fact you’re a pom and it was your people that beat down the Maori here in Aotearoa. But really now, that Andy guy at first glance doesn’t look Maori, and his facial tattooing doesn’t look like ta moko in the least. It’s fine and dandy, but from an educated background (in my culture and Maoritanga) the facial tattooing he has is messy as hell. And you should know that Roosy!

  32. C’mon Roo, if you were anyone else I’d excuse your use of the term ‘ta moko’ and blame it on the fact you’re a pom and it was your people that beat down the Maori here in Aotearoa. But really now, that Andy guy at first glance doesn’t look Maori, and his facial tattooing doesn’t look like ta moko in the least. It’s fine and dandy, but from an educated background (in my culture and Maoritanga) the facial tattooing he has is messy as hell. And you should know that Roosy!

  37. Facial scars are cooler when they happen naturally, i say if you want facial scarification just get drunk and challenge your friends to sword fights or kiss a big piece of moving farming equipment.. lol, earn it..

  38. Facial scars are cooler when they happen naturally, i say if you want facial scarification just get drunk and challenge your friends to sword fights or kiss a big piece of moving farming equipment.. lol, earn it..

  39. Facial scars are cooler when they happen naturally, i say if you want facial scarification just get drunk and challenge your friends to sword fights or kiss a big piece of moving farming equipment.. lol, earn it..

  40. Facial scars are cooler when they happen naturally, i say if you want facial scarification just get drunk and challenge your friends to sword fights or kiss a big piece of moving farming equipment.. lol, earn it..

  45. well said Jon.P this should NOT under any circumstances be referred to as Ta Moko, there are other terms used to describe New Zealand inspired designs ripped off and used on white folk or non Maori but Ta Moko is very specific in its definition and is particularly insulting to be used in this sense.

  46. well said Jon.P this should NOT under any circumstances be referred to as Ta Moko, there are other terms used to describe New Zealand inspired designs ripped off and used on white folk or non Maori but Ta Moko is very specific in its definition and is particularly insulting to be used in this sense.

  47. well said Jon.P this should NOT under any circumstances be referred to as Ta Moko, there are other terms used to describe New Zealand inspired designs ripped off and used on white folk or non Maori but Ta Moko is very specific in its definition and is particularly insulting to be used in this sense.

  48. well said Jon.P this should NOT under any circumstances be referred to as Ta Moko, there are other terms used to describe New Zealand inspired designs ripped off and used on white folk or non Maori but Ta Moko is very specific in its definition and is particularly insulting to be used in this sense.

  57. Yeah, but Roo, you linked the wording to the BME Wiki articles I basically wrote. And it’s abundantly clear within those articles that there is a clear difference between ‘ta moko’ and ‘kirituhi’

    Though you wouldn’t even call this kirituhi as the design isn’t Maori based any more than it’s Celtic based, it’s the most simple of spirals and therefore doesn’t sufficiently resemble the koru patterns used in ta moko and kirituhi. There’s nothing remotely Maori about it.

    But judging from the rest of him, I guess white boys trying to go “tribal”. And for some unknown reason, everyone wanting to go ModPrim or “tribal” chooses to rip off te ao Maori. Shit, even Polynesians who aren’t Maori rip off te ao Maori and claim they have whakapapa Maori. There’s a couple IAMers like this, particularly Pauly_Unstoppable who claim whakapapa Maori but then say that they don’t know (or have no way of finding out, because their relatives are now dead) how they got said whakapapa Maori. Which is bullshit because (being Maori) I know that there’s only a single degree of separation between pretty much all Maori if you wanna find out who your relatives are. I can go to any Maori in my workplace who knows their whanau and mention ANY ingoa whanau (family name) and they’ll know someone from that whanau or someone related to me.

    Anyways, at the end of the day, there’s three Maori on IAM who can prove their whakapapa Maori. And only two of us know anything about it. The rest of the people on IAM sporting ‘ta moko’ are a mockery. They can’t even take the two seconds out of their day to read that Ta Moko entry on the BME Wiki. For shame! Kia whakakaakahuria raatau ki te whakamaa, ki te numinumi!

  58. Yeah, but Roo, you linked the wording to the BME Wiki articles I basically wrote. And it’s abundantly clear within those articles that there is a clear difference between ‘ta moko’ and ‘kirituhi’

    Though you wouldn’t even call this kirituhi as the design isn’t Maori based any more than it’s Celtic based, it’s the most simple of spirals and therefore doesn’t sufficiently resemble the koru patterns used in ta moko and kirituhi. There’s nothing remotely Maori about it.

    But judging from the rest of him, I guess white boys trying to go “tribal”. And for some unknown reason, everyone wanting to go ModPrim or “tribal” chooses to rip off te ao Maori. Shit, even Polynesians who aren’t Maori rip off te ao Maori and claim they have whakapapa Maori. There’s a couple IAMers like this, particularly Pauly_Unstoppable who claim whakapapa Maori but then say that they don’t know (or have no way of finding out, because their relatives are now dead) how they got said whakapapa Maori. Which is bullshit because (being Maori) I know that there’s only a single degree of separation between pretty much all Maori if you wanna find out who your relatives are. I can go to any Maori in my workplace who knows their whanau and mention ANY ingoa whanau (family name) and they’ll know someone from that whanau or someone related to me.

    Anyways, at the end of the day, there’s three Maori on IAM who can prove their whakapapa Maori. And only two of us know anything about it. The rest of the people on IAM sporting ‘ta moko’ are a mockery. They can’t even take the two seconds out of their day to read that Ta Moko entry on the BME Wiki. For shame! Kia whakakaakahuria raatau ki te whakamaa, ki te numinumi!

  59. Yeah, but Roo, you linked the wording to the BME Wiki articles I basically wrote. And it’s abundantly clear within those articles that there is a clear difference between ‘ta moko’ and ‘kirituhi’

    Though you wouldn’t even call this kirituhi as the design isn’t Maori based any more than it’s Celtic based, it’s the most simple of spirals and therefore doesn’t sufficiently resemble the koru patterns used in ta moko and kirituhi. There’s nothing remotely Maori about it.

    But judging from the rest of him, I guess white boys trying to go “tribal”. And for some unknown reason, everyone wanting to go ModPrim or “tribal” chooses to rip off te ao Maori. Shit, even Polynesians who aren’t Maori rip off te ao Maori and claim they have whakapapa Maori. There’s a couple IAMers like this, particularly Pauly_Unstoppable who claim whakapapa Maori but then say that they don’t know (or have no way of finding out, because their relatives are now dead) how they got said whakapapa Maori. Which is bullshit because (being Maori) I know that there’s only a single degree of separation between pretty much all Maori if you wanna find out who your relatives are. I can go to any Maori in my workplace who knows their whanau and mention ANY ingoa whanau (family name) and they’ll know someone from that whanau or someone related to me.

    Anyways, at the end of the day, there’s three Maori on IAM who can prove their whakapapa Maori. And only two of us know anything about it. The rest of the people on IAM sporting ‘ta moko’ are a mockery. They can’t even take the two seconds out of their day to read that Ta Moko entry on the BME Wiki. For shame! Kia whakakaakahuria raatau ki te whakamaa, ki te numinumi!

  60. Yeah, but Roo, you linked the wording to the BME Wiki articles I basically wrote. And it’s abundantly clear within those articles that there is a clear difference between ‘ta moko’ and ‘kirituhi’

    Though you wouldn’t even call this kirituhi as the design isn’t Maori based any more than it’s Celtic based, it’s the most simple of spirals and therefore doesn’t sufficiently resemble the koru patterns used in ta moko and kirituhi. There’s nothing remotely Maori about it.

    But judging from the rest of him, I guess white boys trying to go “tribal”. And for some unknown reason, everyone wanting to go ModPrim or “tribal” chooses to rip off te ao Maori. Shit, even Polynesians who aren’t Maori rip off te ao Maori and claim they have whakapapa Maori. There’s a couple IAMers like this, particularly Pauly_Unstoppable who claim whakapapa Maori but then say that they don’t know (or have no way of finding out, because their relatives are now dead) how they got said whakapapa Maori. Which is bullshit because (being Maori) I know that there’s only a single degree of separation between pretty much all Maori if you wanna find out who your relatives are. I can go to any Maori in my workplace who knows their whanau and mention ANY ingoa whanau (family name) and they’ll know someone from that whanau or someone related to me.

    Anyways, at the end of the day, there’s three Maori on IAM who can prove their whakapapa Maori. And only two of us know anything about it. The rest of the people on IAM sporting ‘ta moko’ are a mockery. They can’t even take the two seconds out of their day to read that Ta Moko entry on the BME Wiki. For shame! Kia whakakaakahuria raatau ki te whakamaa, ki te numinumi!

  61. Ummmmmm..JON P…bitching about “white boys trying to go “tribal”” and people who get ta moko tattoos would be like a tribesman from Kenya bitching because westerners stretch their ears or wear lip plates. Get off your high horse, its all fair game now.

  62. Ummmmmm..JON P…bitching about “white boys trying to go “tribal”” and people who get ta moko tattoos would be like a tribesman from Kenya bitching because westerners stretch their ears or wear lip plates. Get off your high horse, its all fair game now.

  63. Ummmmmm..JON P…bitching about “white boys trying to go “tribal”” and people who get ta moko tattoos would be like a tribesman from Kenya bitching because westerners stretch their ears or wear lip plates. Get off your high horse, its all fair game now.

  64. Ummmmmm..JON P…bitching about “white boys trying to go “tribal”” and people who get ta moko tattoos would be like a tribesman from Kenya bitching because westerners stretch their ears or wear lip plates. Get off your high horse, its all fair game now.

  69. Nah, fuckface (I mean Kero), it ain’t fair game. Look at the G8 meetings and their move to further the case for intellectual property rights. Albeit in an online context, this also applies to intellectual rights in the forum of culture.

    Maori went after Lego when they blatantly ripped off te reo Maori for use in their ‘Bionicle’ packaging. And they won, though Lego still sneakily used shit anyway.

    Barry Barclay wrote an extremely good book on the subject called ‘Mana Tuturu’ which boils down to a clause which can be inserted ANY time Maori intellectual or cultural property is used in ANY medium.

    See, to me, its anathema for a modprim to take ta moko when it’s not theirs to take. For people who supposedly respect indigenous cultures (enough to want to replicate parts of those cultures), it’s ludicrous that they’d steal something sacred from another culture, misappropriating it blatantly.

    Also, I’m going to assume you don’t also have a degree in Cultural/Social Anthropology here, the practise of stretching earlobes isn’t an exclusively Maasai practise. Maori stretched their earlobes also (not for aesthetic purposes, it happened as a by-product of attaching their toki/chisels from muka cords in their ear piercings, which gradually enlarged the hole) but I’m not “bitching” about that because it’s not an exclusively Maori custom, nor was it a tapu/sacred custom. Ta moko itself is exclusively Maori. No other culture on Earth EVER did ta moko except for te tangata Maori. It’s inherently and EXPLICITLY Maori.

    What I’m saying here, is that the term ‘ta moko’ is itself sacred. Words hold meaning, there’s some things you don’t say. There’s definitely some things you don’t do. Any critically thoughtful, ethically minded, empathically acting person wouldn’t say that everything is fair game now. Because it’s not.

    So, fuckface (whoops, there I go again, haha), there’s no horse of any height on which I’m sitting. I’m just stating what has been argued in courts since the 1800s when Te Tiriti O Waitangi was signed which, in Article Two, guarenteed te tino rangatiratanga of Maori over all of their taonga. And that is that stealing cultural property is just plain wrong.

    Calling something ta moko when it isn’t, and doesn’t even resemble it, is wrong. An apple is an apple. Unless it’s a pear. In which case you wouldn’t call it an apple unless you were fuckin’ retarded or something, right?

  70. Nah, fuckface (I mean Kero), it ain’t fair game. Look at the G8 meetings and their move to further the case for intellectual property rights. Albeit in an online context, this also applies to intellectual rights in the forum of culture.

    Maori went after Lego when they blatantly ripped off te reo Maori for use in their ‘Bionicle’ packaging. And they won, though Lego still sneakily used shit anyway.

    Barry Barclay wrote an extremely good book on the subject called ‘Mana Tuturu’ which boils down to a clause which can be inserted ANY time Maori intellectual or cultural property is used in ANY medium.

    See, to me, its anathema for a modprim to take ta moko when it’s not theirs to take. For people who supposedly respect indigenous cultures (enough to want to replicate parts of those cultures), it’s ludicrous that they’d steal something sacred from another culture, misappropriating it blatantly.

    Also, I’m going to assume you don’t also have a degree in Cultural/Social Anthropology here, the practise of stretching earlobes isn’t an exclusively Maasai practise. Maori stretched their earlobes also (not for aesthetic purposes, it happened as a by-product of attaching their toki/chisels from muka cords in their ear piercings, which gradually enlarged the hole) but I’m not “bitching” about that because it’s not an exclusively Maori custom, nor was it a tapu/sacred custom. Ta moko itself is exclusively Maori. No other culture on Earth EVER did ta moko except for te tangata Maori. It’s inherently and EXPLICITLY Maori.

    What I’m saying here, is that the term ‘ta moko’ is itself sacred. Words hold meaning, there’s some things you don’t say. There’s definitely some things you don’t do. Any critically thoughtful, ethically minded, empathically acting person wouldn’t say that everything is fair game now. Because it’s not.

    So, fuckface (whoops, there I go again, haha), there’s no horse of any height on which I’m sitting. I’m just stating what has been argued in courts since the 1800s when Te Tiriti O Waitangi was signed which, in Article Two, guarenteed te tino rangatiratanga of Maori over all of their taonga. And that is that stealing cultural property is just plain wrong.

    Calling something ta moko when it isn’t, and doesn’t even resemble it, is wrong. An apple is an apple. Unless it’s a pear. In which case you wouldn’t call it an apple unless you were fuckin’ retarded or something, right?

  71. Nah, fuckface (I mean Kero), it ain’t fair game. Look at the G8 meetings and their move to further the case for intellectual property rights. Albeit in an online context, this also applies to intellectual rights in the forum of culture.

    Maori went after Lego when they blatantly ripped off te reo Maori for use in their ‘Bionicle’ packaging. And they won, though Lego still sneakily used shit anyway.

    Barry Barclay wrote an extremely good book on the subject called ‘Mana Tuturu’ which boils down to a clause which can be inserted ANY time Maori intellectual or cultural property is used in ANY medium.

    See, to me, its anathema for a modprim to take ta moko when it’s not theirs to take. For people who supposedly respect indigenous cultures (enough to want to replicate parts of those cultures), it’s ludicrous that they’d steal something sacred from another culture, misappropriating it blatantly.

    Also, I’m going to assume you don’t also have a degree in Cultural/Social Anthropology here, the practise of stretching earlobes isn’t an exclusively Maasai practise. Maori stretched their earlobes also (not for aesthetic purposes, it happened as a by-product of attaching their toki/chisels from muka cords in their ear piercings, which gradually enlarged the hole) but I’m not “bitching” about that because it’s not an exclusively Maori custom, nor was it a tapu/sacred custom. Ta moko itself is exclusively Maori. No other culture on Earth EVER did ta moko except for te tangata Maori. It’s inherently and EXPLICITLY Maori.

    What I’m saying here, is that the term ‘ta moko’ is itself sacred. Words hold meaning, there’s some things you don’t say. There’s definitely some things you don’t do. Any critically thoughtful, ethically minded, empathically acting person wouldn’t say that everything is fair game now. Because it’s not.

    So, fuckface (whoops, there I go again, haha), there’s no horse of any height on which I’m sitting. I’m just stating what has been argued in courts since the 1800s when Te Tiriti O Waitangi was signed which, in Article Two, guarenteed te tino rangatiratanga of Maori over all of their taonga. And that is that stealing cultural property is just plain wrong.

    Calling something ta moko when it isn’t, and doesn’t even resemble it, is wrong. An apple is an apple. Unless it’s a pear. In which case you wouldn’t call it an apple unless you were fuckin’ retarded or something, right?

  72. Nah, fuckface (I mean Kero), it ain’t fair game. Look at the G8 meetings and their move to further the case for intellectual property rights. Albeit in an online context, this also applies to intellectual rights in the forum of culture.

    Maori went after Lego when they blatantly ripped off te reo Maori for use in their ‘Bionicle’ packaging. And they won, though Lego still sneakily used shit anyway.

    Barry Barclay wrote an extremely good book on the subject called ‘Mana Tuturu’ which boils down to a clause which can be inserted ANY time Maori intellectual or cultural property is used in ANY medium.

    See, to me, its anathema for a modprim to take ta moko when it’s not theirs to take. For people who supposedly respect indigenous cultures (enough to want to replicate parts of those cultures), it’s ludicrous that they’d steal something sacred from another culture, misappropriating it blatantly.

    Also, I’m going to assume you don’t also have a degree in Cultural/Social Anthropology here, the practise of stretching earlobes isn’t an exclusively Maasai practise. Maori stretched their earlobes also (not for aesthetic purposes, it happened as a by-product of attaching their toki/chisels from muka cords in their ear piercings, which gradually enlarged the hole) but I’m not “bitching” about that because it’s not an exclusively Maori custom, nor was it a tapu/sacred custom. Ta moko itself is exclusively Maori. No other culture on Earth EVER did ta moko except for te tangata Maori. It’s inherently and EXPLICITLY Maori.

    What I’m saying here, is that the term ‘ta moko’ is itself sacred. Words hold meaning, there’s some things you don’t say. There’s definitely some things you don’t do. Any critically thoughtful, ethically minded, empathically acting person wouldn’t say that everything is fair game now. Because it’s not.

    So, fuckface (whoops, there I go again, haha), there’s no horse of any height on which I’m sitting. I’m just stating what has been argued in courts since the 1800s when Te Tiriti O Waitangi was signed which, in Article Two, guarenteed te tino rangatiratanga of Maori over all of their taonga. And that is that stealing cultural property is just plain wrong.

    Calling something ta moko when it isn’t, and doesn’t even resemble it, is wrong. An apple is an apple. Unless it’s a pear. In which case you wouldn’t call it an apple unless you were fuckin’ retarded or something, right?

  73. Wow. This pictures leave me speechless! I love his forehead scar and the eyebrows. It all fits so perfectly with his beautiful eyes.

  74. Wow. This pictures leave me speechless! I love his forehead scar and the eyebrows. It all fits so perfectly with his beautiful eyes.

  75. Wow. This pictures leave me speechless! I love his forehead scar and the eyebrows. It all fits so perfectly with his beautiful eyes.

  76. Wow. This pictures leave me speechless! I love his forehead scar and the eyebrows. It all fits so perfectly with his beautiful eyes.

  77. And I repeat, these are OLD pictures, not NEW pictures. Explain that one, Roo.

  78. And I repeat, these are OLD pictures, not NEW pictures. Explain that one, Roo.

  79. And I repeat, these are OLD pictures, not NEW pictures. Explain that one, Roo.

  80. And I repeat, these are OLD pictures, not NEW pictures. Explain that one, Roo.

  97. Not Ta Moko in the slightest, it doesn’t even look like kirituhi. I’m really over people ripping off my ancestors steez, Ta Moko = Whakapapa, without Whakapapa, you cannot have Ta Moko.

  98. Not Ta Moko in the slightest, it doesn’t even look like kirituhi. I’m really over people ripping off my ancestors steez, Ta Moko = Whakapapa, without Whakapapa, you cannot have Ta Moko.

  99. Not Ta Moko in the slightest, it doesn’t even look like kirituhi. I’m really over people ripping off my ancestors steez, Ta Moko = Whakapapa, without Whakapapa, you cannot have Ta Moko.

  100. Not Ta Moko in the slightest, it doesn’t even look like kirituhi. I’m really over people ripping off my ancestors steez, Ta Moko = Whakapapa, without Whakapapa, you cannot have Ta Moko.

  101. So someone with a degree in Cultural/Social Anthropology has to call names to get their point across? Cool.. Stretching Of lobes ect was an mere Example of a practices that were started by indigenous peoples and adopted by modern western culture. Apparently you are far too busy defending your own cause and playing the mod police to grasp the concept I was trying to convey. Please do take care and remember to relax every now and again.
    Sincerely, fuckface.. err opps I mean Kero

  102. So someone with a degree in Cultural/Social Anthropology has to call names to get their point across? Cool.. Stretching Of lobes ect was an mere Example of a practices that were started by indigenous peoples and adopted by modern western culture. Apparently you are far too busy defending your own cause and playing the mod police to grasp the concept I was trying to convey. Please do take care and remember to relax every now and again.
    Sincerely, fuckface.. err opps I mean Kero

  103. So someone with a degree in Cultural/Social Anthropology has to call names to get their point across? Cool.. Stretching Of lobes ect was an mere Example of a practices that were started by indigenous peoples and adopted by modern western culture. Apparently you are far too busy defending your own cause and playing the mod police to grasp the concept I was trying to convey. Please do take care and remember to relax every now and again.
    Sincerely, fuckface.. err opps I mean Kero

  104. So someone with a degree in Cultural/Social Anthropology has to call names to get their point across? Cool.. Stretching Of lobes ect was an mere Example of a practices that were started by indigenous peoples and adopted by modern western culture. Apparently you are far too busy defending your own cause and playing the mod police to grasp the concept I was trying to convey. Please do take care and remember to relax every now and again.
    Sincerely, fuckface.. err opps I mean Kero

  105. Hey Kero, you’re way over your head. It’d be cool if people like you actually did a little research and knew what they were talking about before they jumped into something like this.

    Calling work like this Ta Moko is offensive, it’s like if I were to go out wearing a native american head-dress & calling myself Geronimo.

    It’s not fair game, It’s a birth-right.
    Our ancestors boiled a lot of heads to keep it that way.

  106. Hey Kero, you’re way over your head. It’d be cool if people like you actually did a little research and knew what they were talking about before they jumped into something like this.

    Calling work like this Ta Moko is offensive, it’s like if I were to go out wearing a native american head-dress & calling myself Geronimo.

    It’s not fair game, It’s a birth-right.
    Our ancestors boiled a lot of heads to keep it that way.

  107. Hey Kero, you’re way over your head. It’d be cool if people like you actually did a little research and knew what they were talking about before they jumped into something like this.

    Calling work like this Ta Moko is offensive, it’s like if I were to go out wearing a native american head-dress & calling myself Geronimo.

    It’s not fair game, It’s a birth-right.
    Our ancestors boiled a lot of heads to keep it that way.

  108. Hey Kero, you’re way over your head. It’d be cool if people like you actually did a little research and knew what they were talking about before they jumped into something like this.

    Calling work like this Ta Moko is offensive, it’s like if I were to go out wearing a native american head-dress & calling myself Geronimo.

    It’s not fair game, It’s a birth-right.
    Our ancestors boiled a lot of heads to keep it that way.

  117. I’m not Maori, but I am Kiwi and I agree with Jon P 100%. The quote here I think sums it up
    Ta moko is a taonga (treasure) which is intrinsic to Maori culture and is very tapu (sacred). Numerous rituals were traditionally observed in accordance with ta moko, and some are still practised (such as karakia, or long religious chants).

  118. I’m not Maori, but I am Kiwi and I agree with Jon P 100%. The quote here I think sums it up
    Ta moko is a taonga (treasure) which is intrinsic to Maori culture and is very tapu (sacred). Numerous rituals were traditionally observed in accordance with ta moko, and some are still practised (such as karakia, or long religious chants).

  119. I’m not Maori, but I am Kiwi and I agree with Jon P 100%. The quote here I think sums it up
    Ta moko is a taonga (treasure) which is intrinsic to Maori culture and is very tapu (sacred). Numerous rituals were traditionally observed in accordance with ta moko, and some are still practised (such as karakia, or long religious chants).

  120. I’m not Maori, but I am Kiwi and I agree with Jon P 100%. The quote here I think sums it up
    Ta moko is a taonga (treasure) which is intrinsic to Maori culture and is very tapu (sacred). Numerous rituals were traditionally observed in accordance with ta moko, and some are still practised (such as karakia, or long religious chants).

  121. I say enjoy the picture! Enjoy the mods! Just don’t call it something it’s not! Call it… a primitive snail design, not ta moko, hahaha.

  122. I say enjoy the picture! Enjoy the mods! Just don’t call it something it’s not! Call it… a primitive snail design, not ta moko, hahaha.

  123. I say enjoy the picture! Enjoy the mods! Just don’t call it something it’s not! Call it… a primitive snail design, not ta moko, hahaha.

  124. I say enjoy the picture! Enjoy the mods! Just don’t call it something it’s not! Call it… a primitive snail design, not ta moko, hahaha.

  125. I don’t care WHAT it is, “ta moko” or not…but whatever the design is, it’s gorgeous.

  126. I don’t care WHAT it is, “ta moko” or not…but whatever the design is, it’s gorgeous.

  127. I don’t care WHAT it is, “ta moko” or not…but whatever the design is, it’s gorgeous.

  128. I don’t care WHAT it is, “ta moko” or not…but whatever the design is, it’s gorgeous.

  129. Views on Ta Moko aside, I think this tattoo isn’t at all amazing. It doesn’t fit the face as well as it could & it’s not particularly well tattooed, or as Jon put it “Messy as hell”

  130. Views on Ta Moko aside, I think this tattoo isn’t at all amazing. It doesn’t fit the face as well as it could & it’s not particularly well tattooed, or as Jon put it “Messy as hell”

  131. Views on Ta Moko aside, I think this tattoo isn’t at all amazing. It doesn’t fit the face as well as it could & it’s not particularly well tattooed, or as Jon put it “Messy as hell”

  132. Views on Ta Moko aside, I think this tattoo isn’t at all amazing. It doesn’t fit the face as well as it could & it’s not particularly well tattooed, or as Jon put it “Messy as hell”

  133. okay i am a kiwi

    there is not one full blood Maori left on this earth

    Jon P is just another half blood with too much time on his hands

    i mean look at the guy he is WHITE! im sure he has some maori blood but come on!
    just look at him just another guy here with almost no tattoos and wants to claim he is brown
    give it up white boy get a life

  134. okay i am a kiwi

    there is not one full blood Maori left on this earth

    Jon P is just another half blood with too much time on his hands

    i mean look at the guy he is WHITE! im sure he has some maori blood but come on!
    just look at him just another guy here with almost no tattoos and wants to claim he is brown
    give it up white boy get a life

  135. okay i am a kiwi

    there is not one full blood Maori left on this earth

    Jon P is just another half blood with too much time on his hands

    i mean look at the guy he is WHITE! im sure he has some maori blood but come on!
    just look at him just another guy here with almost no tattoos and wants to claim he is brown
    give it up white boy get a life

  136. okay i am a kiwi

    there is not one full blood Maori left on this earth

    Jon P is just another half blood with too much time on his hands

    i mean look at the guy he is WHITE! im sure he has some maori blood but come on!
    just look at him just another guy here with almost no tattoos and wants to claim he is brown
    give it up white boy get a life

  137. How the hell is that design Maori?
    It doesn’t even resemble Ta Moko….
    That aside, its a nice enough abstract design, but I like the eyebrows.

  138. How the hell is that design Maori?
    It doesn’t even resemble Ta Moko….
    That aside, its a nice enough abstract design, but I like the eyebrows.

  139. How the hell is that design Maori?
    It doesn’t even resemble Ta Moko….
    That aside, its a nice enough abstract design, but I like the eyebrows.

  140. How the hell is that design Maori?
    It doesn’t even resemble Ta Moko….
    That aside, its a nice enough abstract design, but I like the eyebrows.

  141. As a completely ignorant person, is there a good site to read about introduction to what is ta moko and the history of appropriating it or not? Because quite frankly it’s something I did often wonder about also.

    I just now looked up “kirituhi” and finding it interesting.

  142. As a completely ignorant person, is there a good site to read about introduction to what is ta moko and the history of appropriating it or not? Because quite frankly it’s something I did often wonder about also.

    I just now looked up “kirituhi” and finding it interesting.

  143. As a completely ignorant person, is there a good site to read about introduction to what is ta moko and the history of appropriating it or not? Because quite frankly it’s something I did often wonder about also.

    I just now looked up “kirituhi” and finding it interesting.

  144. As a completely ignorant person, is there a good site to read about introduction to what is ta moko and the history of appropriating it or not? Because quite frankly it’s something I did often wonder about also.

    I just now looked up “kirituhi” and finding it interesting.

  145. Hey true, if you’re a kiwi, that hopefully means you live in new zealand. if you ever shit on my whakapapa like that again, i’ll be requesting a personal meeting with you, kanohi ki te kanohi. this isn’t an empty request across the internet. give me your phone number and address and i’ll come see you so we can talk about your comment face to face.

    and because i’ve already gone into several issues in this comments forum including: misappropriation of cultural property, intellectual property rights, and general education around the issues of ta moko versus kirituhi, I’d like to add another theme to the equation…

    blood quantums were originally created by Europeans as a way to divide humans from ‘sub-humans’. if you had enough ‘white’ blood, you were considered a conscious, thinking being rather than an animal. because blacks were considered animals in those times (aboriginal australians weren’t considered human, thus the term terra nullus was used when the first settlers arrived in australia, because in their eyes it was unoccupied), they weren’t allowed human rights unless they had sufficiently ‘white blood’ to allow them human status.

    thus, your contention that there are no full blood maori left is flawed from the outset. if i bleed, an the average joe bloggs in japan bleeds, my blood doesn’t run white while his runs yellow. that’s intensely racist of you to contend such a thing. blood is merely blood; it doesn’t differ between ‘races’ (a term which isn’t scientifically viable, mind you, it’s the term ‘ethnicity’ which is used today).

    whether you are 75%, 50%, 25%, or whatever percent, you’re no less something than anyone else if you live and breathe it.

    ko te maori ahau, and being white doesn’t change that fact. i was unaware that all maori had to be brown. and i was also unaware that the definition of maori is something to be stated by non-maori. i had enough abuse from jocks like you in high school to make me ignore my birthright and heritage for all of my formative years. it was only in university when i had a discussion with the kaitautoko maori of the social science school of massey university that i realized that the only people who questioned my ‘maoriness’ were pakeha, they weren’t maori. do you think my kuia and koroua cared i was white? did that stop them trying to take me as the first born whangai of my whanau?

    in fact, mason durie, the VC Maori of massey university and an authority on maori health, wrote extensively on the need for maori to stand up and assert to non-maori that it is maori, and only maori, who have the final say on what is an isn’t maori.

    so, true, you racist piece of shit, if you’d like to continue this discussion, you know my face. i live in palmerston north. come and see me sometime. you’ll see my tatts just before you see the curb.

  146. Hey true, if you’re a kiwi, that hopefully means you live in new zealand. if you ever shit on my whakapapa like that again, i’ll be requesting a personal meeting with you, kanohi ki te kanohi. this isn’t an empty request across the internet. give me your phone number and address and i’ll come see you so we can talk about your comment face to face.

    and because i’ve already gone into several issues in this comments forum including: misappropriation of cultural property, intellectual property rights, and general education around the issues of ta moko versus kirituhi, I’d like to add another theme to the equation…

    blood quantums were originally created by Europeans as a way to divide humans from ‘sub-humans’. if you had enough ‘white’ blood, you were considered a conscious, thinking being rather than an animal. because blacks were considered animals in those times (aboriginal australians weren’t considered human, thus the term terra nullus was used when the first settlers arrived in australia, because in their eyes it was unoccupied), they weren’t allowed human rights unless they had sufficiently ‘white blood’ to allow them human status.

    thus, your contention that there are no full blood maori left is flawed from the outset. if i bleed, an the average joe bloggs in japan bleeds, my blood doesn’t run white while his runs yellow. that’s intensely racist of you to contend such a thing. blood is merely blood; it doesn’t differ between ‘races’ (a term which isn’t scientifically viable, mind you, it’s the term ‘ethnicity’ which is used today).

    whether you are 75%, 50%, 25%, or whatever percent, you’re no less something than anyone else if you live and breathe it.

    ko te maori ahau, and being white doesn’t change that fact. i was unaware that all maori had to be brown. and i was also unaware that the definition of maori is something to be stated by non-maori. i had enough abuse from jocks like you in high school to make me ignore my birthright and heritage for all of my formative years. it was only in university when i had a discussion with the kaitautoko maori of the social science school of massey university that i realized that the only people who questioned my ‘maoriness’ were pakeha, they weren’t maori. do you think my kuia and koroua cared i was white? did that stop them trying to take me as the first born whangai of my whanau?

    in fact, mason durie, the VC Maori of massey university and an authority on maori health, wrote extensively on the need for maori to stand up and assert to non-maori that it is maori, and only maori, who have the final say on what is an isn’t maori.

    so, true, you racist piece of shit, if you’d like to continue this discussion, you know my face. i live in palmerston north. come and see me sometime. you’ll see my tatts just before you see the curb.

  147. Hey true, if you’re a kiwi, that hopefully means you live in new zealand. if you ever shit on my whakapapa like that again, i’ll be requesting a personal meeting with you, kanohi ki te kanohi. this isn’t an empty request across the internet. give me your phone number and address and i’ll come see you so we can talk about your comment face to face.

    and because i’ve already gone into several issues in this comments forum including: misappropriation of cultural property, intellectual property rights, and general education around the issues of ta moko versus kirituhi, I’d like to add another theme to the equation…

    blood quantums were originally created by Europeans as a way to divide humans from ‘sub-humans’. if you had enough ‘white’ blood, you were considered a conscious, thinking being rather than an animal. because blacks were considered animals in those times (aboriginal australians weren’t considered human, thus the term terra nullus was used when the first settlers arrived in australia, because in their eyes it was unoccupied), they weren’t allowed human rights unless they had sufficiently ‘white blood’ to allow them human status.

    thus, your contention that there are no full blood maori left is flawed from the outset. if i bleed, an the average joe bloggs in japan bleeds, my blood doesn’t run white while his runs yellow. that’s intensely racist of you to contend such a thing. blood is merely blood; it doesn’t differ between ‘races’ (a term which isn’t scientifically viable, mind you, it’s the term ‘ethnicity’ which is used today).

    whether you are 75%, 50%, 25%, or whatever percent, you’re no less something than anyone else if you live and breathe it.

    ko te maori ahau, and being white doesn’t change that fact. i was unaware that all maori had to be brown. and i was also unaware that the definition of maori is something to be stated by non-maori. i had enough abuse from jocks like you in high school to make me ignore my birthright and heritage for all of my formative years. it was only in university when i had a discussion with the kaitautoko maori of the social science school of massey university that i realized that the only people who questioned my ‘maoriness’ were pakeha, they weren’t maori. do you think my kuia and koroua cared i was white? did that stop them trying to take me as the first born whangai of my whanau?

    in fact, mason durie, the VC Maori of massey university and an authority on maori health, wrote extensively on the need for maori to stand up and assert to non-maori that it is maori, and only maori, who have the final say on what is an isn’t maori.

    so, true, you racist piece of shit, if you’d like to continue this discussion, you know my face. i live in palmerston north. come and see me sometime. you’ll see my tatts just before you see the curb.

  148. Hey true, if you’re a kiwi, that hopefully means you live in new zealand. if you ever shit on my whakapapa like that again, i’ll be requesting a personal meeting with you, kanohi ki te kanohi. this isn’t an empty request across the internet. give me your phone number and address and i’ll come see you so we can talk about your comment face to face.

    and because i’ve already gone into several issues in this comments forum including: misappropriation of cultural property, intellectual property rights, and general education around the issues of ta moko versus kirituhi, I’d like to add another theme to the equation…

    blood quantums were originally created by Europeans as a way to divide humans from ‘sub-humans’. if you had enough ‘white’ blood, you were considered a conscious, thinking being rather than an animal. because blacks were considered animals in those times (aboriginal australians weren’t considered human, thus the term terra nullus was used when the first settlers arrived in australia, because in their eyes it was unoccupied), they weren’t allowed human rights unless they had sufficiently ‘white blood’ to allow them human status.

    thus, your contention that there are no full blood maori left is flawed from the outset. if i bleed, an the average joe bloggs in japan bleeds, my blood doesn’t run white while his runs yellow. that’s intensely racist of you to contend such a thing. blood is merely blood; it doesn’t differ between ‘races’ (a term which isn’t scientifically viable, mind you, it’s the term ‘ethnicity’ which is used today).

    whether you are 75%, 50%, 25%, or whatever percent, you’re no less something than anyone else if you live and breathe it.

    ko te maori ahau, and being white doesn’t change that fact. i was unaware that all maori had to be brown. and i was also unaware that the definition of maori is something to be stated by non-maori. i had enough abuse from jocks like you in high school to make me ignore my birthright and heritage for all of my formative years. it was only in university when i had a discussion with the kaitautoko maori of the social science school of massey university that i realized that the only people who questioned my ‘maoriness’ were pakeha, they weren’t maori. do you think my kuia and koroua cared i was white? did that stop them trying to take me as the first born whangai of my whanau?

    in fact, mason durie, the VC Maori of massey university and an authority on maori health, wrote extensively on the need for maori to stand up and assert to non-maori that it is maori, and only maori, who have the final say on what is an isn’t maori.

    so, true, you racist piece of shit, if you’d like to continue this discussion, you know my face. i live in palmerston north. come and see me sometime. you’ll see my tatts just before you see the curb.

  149. Hey True, since when were non-Maori the ones to decide what is and isn’t Maori?

    Full blood? Half blood? You know you’re referring to ‘Blood quantums’, right? Which are outdated and were originally created to distinguish humans from ‘sub-humans’, right?

    And shit, every fortnight when I go to get my sleeve worked on, I must be mistaken as to what’s happening. Couldn’t possibly be that I’m getting tattooed, right? RIGHT?

  150. Hey True, since when were non-Maori the ones to decide what is and isn’t Maori?

    Full blood? Half blood? You know you’re referring to ‘Blood quantums’, right? Which are outdated and were originally created to distinguish humans from ‘sub-humans’, right?

    And shit, every fortnight when I go to get my sleeve worked on, I must be mistaken as to what’s happening. Couldn’t possibly be that I’m getting tattooed, right? RIGHT?

  151. Hey True, since when were non-Maori the ones to decide what is and isn’t Maori?

    Full blood? Half blood? You know you’re referring to ‘Blood quantums’, right? Which are outdated and were originally created to distinguish humans from ‘sub-humans’, right?

    And shit, every fortnight when I go to get my sleeve worked on, I must be mistaken as to what’s happening. Couldn’t possibly be that I’m getting tattooed, right? RIGHT?

  152. Hey True, since when were non-Maori the ones to decide what is and isn’t Maori?

    Full blood? Half blood? You know you’re referring to ‘Blood quantums’, right? Which are outdated and were originally created to distinguish humans from ‘sub-humans’, right?

    And shit, every fortnight when I go to get my sleeve worked on, I must be mistaken as to what’s happening. Couldn’t possibly be that I’m getting tattooed, right? RIGHT?

  153. And one more thing, what is up with everyone calling themselves kiwis? The kiwi is a short, fat, flightless, endangered birn native to New Zealand. The term ‘kiwi’ doesn’t denote ethnicity OR culture. It’s some that Pakeha (the white descendants of european settlers) use when they’re too scared to say “I’m white” or “I’m a Pakeha”. Pakeha have this delusion that the term ‘Pakeha’ means ‘white pig’ when in actuality the root of the word is ‘Pakehakeha’, a mythical race of tall, fair-skinned beings.

    I’m sorry that your colonialist mindset is still the same as your forebears who worked land stolen from Maori (or even worse, stole themselves if that’s the case), but I choose to honour not only my Pakeha ancestry, but my whakapapa Maori also. It’s why I’m so educated in my Maoritanga, tane kino!

    And unlike Te Whiti O Rongomai of Parihaka, whose community was burned to the ground, his fellow men imprisoned, and his women and children raped, I’m not a pacifist. If you question my whakapapa again based on something as insignificant as skin colour, I’ll be requesting a meeting with you, kanohi ki te kanohi.

  154. And one more thing, what is up with everyone calling themselves kiwis? The kiwi is a short, fat, flightless, endangered birn native to New Zealand. The term ‘kiwi’ doesn’t denote ethnicity OR culture. It’s some that Pakeha (the white descendants of european settlers) use when they’re too scared to say “I’m white” or “I’m a Pakeha”. Pakeha have this delusion that the term ‘Pakeha’ means ‘white pig’ when in actuality the root of the word is ‘Pakehakeha’, a mythical race of tall, fair-skinned beings.

    I’m sorry that your colonialist mindset is still the same as your forebears who worked land stolen from Maori (or even worse, stole themselves if that’s the case), but I choose to honour not only my Pakeha ancestry, but my whakapapa Maori also. It’s why I’m so educated in my Maoritanga, tane kino!

    And unlike Te Whiti O Rongomai of Parihaka, whose community was burned to the ground, his fellow men imprisoned, and his women and children raped, I’m not a pacifist. If you question my whakapapa again based on something as insignificant as skin colour, I’ll be requesting a meeting with you, kanohi ki te kanohi.

  155. And one more thing, what is up with everyone calling themselves kiwis? The kiwi is a short, fat, flightless, endangered birn native to New Zealand. The term ‘kiwi’ doesn’t denote ethnicity OR culture. It’s some that Pakeha (the white descendants of european settlers) use when they’re too scared to say “I’m white” or “I’m a Pakeha”. Pakeha have this delusion that the term ‘Pakeha’ means ‘white pig’ when in actuality the root of the word is ‘Pakehakeha’, a mythical race of tall, fair-skinned beings.

    I’m sorry that your colonialist mindset is still the same as your forebears who worked land stolen from Maori (or even worse, stole themselves if that’s the case), but I choose to honour not only my Pakeha ancestry, but my whakapapa Maori also. It’s why I’m so educated in my Maoritanga, tane kino!

    And unlike Te Whiti O Rongomai of Parihaka, whose community was burned to the ground, his fellow men imprisoned, and his women and children raped, I’m not a pacifist. If you question my whakapapa again based on something as insignificant as skin colour, I’ll be requesting a meeting with you, kanohi ki te kanohi.

  156. And one more thing, what is up with everyone calling themselves kiwis? The kiwi is a short, fat, flightless, endangered birn native to New Zealand. The term ‘kiwi’ doesn’t denote ethnicity OR culture. It’s some that Pakeha (the white descendants of european settlers) use when they’re too scared to say “I’m white” or “I’m a Pakeha”. Pakeha have this delusion that the term ‘Pakeha’ means ‘white pig’ when in actuality the root of the word is ‘Pakehakeha’, a mythical race of tall, fair-skinned beings.

    I’m sorry that your colonialist mindset is still the same as your forebears who worked land stolen from Maori (or even worse, stole themselves if that’s the case), but I choose to honour not only my Pakeha ancestry, but my whakapapa Maori also. It’s why I’m so educated in my Maoritanga, tane kino!

    And unlike Te Whiti O Rongomai of Parihaka, whose community was burned to the ground, his fellow men imprisoned, and his women and children raped, I’m not a pacifist. If you question my whakapapa again based on something as insignificant as skin colour, I’ll be requesting a meeting with you, kanohi ki te kanohi.

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